Podcast No. 26 Posted 1/24/2011   Leave a comment

Podcast No. 26 Posted 1/24/2011

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TITLE:  Truths of Terasem – The “Who” of Terasem  1.4 – 1.4.6

SUB TITLE:  Love as the Binding Force Within Terasem

SUMMARY:  While love has many usages and interpretations, impulses of libido are so strong that they frequently override all other considerations, leading to such sayings as “love is blind”, and the esteem accorded to what is called “unconditional love”.  Terasem’s concept of “love” transcends the idea of love stemming exclusively or even primarily from drives for sexual reproduction, although at the same time acknowledging the tremendous binding force of this for couples who have a tremendous level of admiration and respect for each other.

(Fred)  Hi, we’re Fred & Linda Chamberlain, with podcast 26 on the Truths of Terasem.  We’re going to talk about “love” this week.

(Linda)  Is this going to be a “G” rated discussion, or do parents have to get their young children out of the room?  If we’re going to talk about anything that could be kinky, we have to be careful!

(Fred)  No problem, Linda!  Love is used by Terasem in a way that’s so much broader than two chimpanzees making out that it’s beyond the ideas that most people would guess.  Love is, as used in the Truths of Terasem, as strong as gravitation between minds that are in harmony with the Truths.  It draws them together just as surely as it makes the Milky Way revolve and remain connected as a spiral galaxy, rather than the stars in it all going their separate ways.

(Linda)  so does that have anything to do with the old expression, “Love makes the world go round?”

(Fred)  That’s actually on target.  “Making the world go round” could be crudely construed as motivating people to keep on making babies, so the human race won’t die out in one generation, but a more reasonable interpretation is that “the world goes round” because people know, that if they aren’t trustworthy, they won’t be trusted; if they are not likeable, no one will like them; if they don’t appreciate and respect others, they will not be respected and appreciated.  This is more in tune with the principle that love draws people together in a long term, stable way and holds human civilization together.  It’s still at a rudimentary stage of evolving compared with what it can be, but it’s vastly beyond the stage of pre-humans doing battle over who controls the water-hole in the arid environments where humans left their first footprints in stone, millions of years ago, in Africa.

(Linda)  Let’s jump right in.  The lead Truth in this Expansion is, “1.4 Loving: Terasem are lovers of life who believe that the greatest happiness in life comes from loving someone and from being loved, in return.”  Is this Truth a way of blending the short and long term aspects of love?

(Fred)  It is.  There’s no question that romantic love is at the heart of almost all the fictional works we know, especially movies.  Even in the most tense action movies, we usually find a relationship between the protagonists which may start with sexual attraction and blossom into a deep mutual admiration, respect, and sense of companionship over the course of the movie, leading to an outlook of a good, long term, bond that is so strong it seems like it could endure forever.

Even in romantic comedies, amidst the confusions and turnarounds that seem to be always involved, a sense of having “weathered the storm” of those events and having “found a love that could go on forever” will emerge.  In romantic tragedies, such as “Love is a many splendored thing”, in the end it is the loss of enduring companionship and depth of knowing each other that is the root of the tragedy, the bitter sweet experience of having found, but then losing, what most people dream about and seek, but far too often do not find, in life.

The first part of this truth, about being “lovers of life”, is similarly about the fact that an enduring romantic love makes “life worth living”, not about the idea that “lovers of life” live in fear of death, vs. a thirst for life.  There are those who seek life extension primarily out of the fear of death, rather than the thirst for adventure and joy.  There are also those who actually *are* literally in love with life due to their having bonded with another so closely that the “happily ever after” state is already a reality for them, or who are so fascinated with the future and eager to be part of it that they cannot bear to lose the chance to experience it.  In either case, the raw “fear of death” is not really the primary motivation.

And, there is one more thing to be mentioned about the “love of life” and the hunger for a close enduring relationship with another, or with a family of others, or fascination with the other aspects of one’s life, vs. “fear of death”.  “Fear of growing old and dying” is frequently perceived by younger people as a reason to think older people who are near the end would share that vision and seek any recourse that would avoid death, that they would be intrigued by life extension and eager to make arrangements for whatever might benefit them.  But in fact, as aging wreaks its havoc with one’s capabilities, gradually weakening one and inducing more and more discomfort, then chronic pain and mental dullness, the sense of life that once was experienced so dynamically, is not just lost but virtually forgotten, until a sense may arise that death will be a relief of living with so much restlessness, immobility and discomfort that it will finally be like an ultimate sleeping pill.

(Linda)  I think our biochemistry changes, too.  We lose the strong fight or flight hormones that drive us to stay alive.  Next is “1.4.1 Love is transcendence, as sweet as it is deep.”  In Podcast No. 22, posted on iTunes on December 27, 2010, we heard the vivid discussion by Martine Rothblatt, excerpted from a conference, of how an epiphany on the beach in Florida, coupled with and intensified by love, led to the Truths of Terasem and then to Terasem itself.  If you haven’t already had the pleasure of listening to that podcast, we encourage you to do so.  Look for the iTunes release date, again, of December 27th 2010.  iTunes does not number the podcasts in the order created, so you’ll need to find it by the date posted.

(Fred)  That was transcendence, all right, but “transcendence” can be taken far more broadly.  In the pre-romantic stage of one’s life, there is very much an egocentric orientation.  It’s just you, before you find that other person, and begin that long trek through the years together.  Even at the start there’s often the wonder, the doubt, as to whether it will last.

Then, in some cases it’s only recognized looking back, such a strong sense of completeness arises you feel “it wouldn’t be me anymore” without the other person.  This transcends egocentricity.  One might feel he or she wouldn’t want to live without the other, that they’re part of a “shared identity” vs. a separate individual.  Death of one partner may hasten that of the other; sometimes suicides result.  Traumatic breakups can have the same effect.

My most vivid sense of that came from Navy diving where in our Hawaii based unit, two deaths occurred in just two years.  We were bomb disposal people, but none of us blew ourselves up.  Both deaths took place when divers got separated from swim buddies.  In one case, rescue units from San Diego searched Pacific waters off Southern California for weeks; the body was never found.

When you and I began diving together, Linda, long after I was out of the Navy, I made us a very strong buddy line so no accident like being separated in thick kelp or you being seized by a great white shark could ever separate us.  If we were either inescapably entwined in kelp, or a shark took you where I couldn’t get you free and to a hospital, that buddy line was meant to take me into oblivion, which I’d have preferred rather than go on without you.  I still feel that way.  This is the kind of transcendence I feel this Truth is all about.

(Linda)  All of that’s true, and we are totally reciprocal about that, but there are other instances I want to talk about, which still further broaden the meaning.  In warfare, as negative and alien as that is to life as we picture it finally becoming, combat teams have a kind of transcendence with their “no one gets left behind” mentality, where extraordinary “save you or die trying” acts are not just occasional, but are commonplace.  Soldiers go back to carry their wounded out in so many cases that one can almost say this “save you or die” spirit manifests itself, even where no long term relationships exists.  The same kind of spirit exists among lifeguards, where in many cases the rescuer dies in the attempt, along with the victim.  I think this spirit of connectivity is so deep in many cases other than romantic love, that it’s worth noting.

Taking this to the immediate present, a program we tried to start over twenty years ago among cryonicists, called “LifePact” was one where we pledged a reciprocal relationship with others to help them not only get frozen, but also to be reanimated, trying to guard against such possibilities as say, at the time of reanimation, their funding was insufficient, or if their memories were damaged or lost.  We were going to be there for each other so that our whole “team”, or “community”, if you wish, made it into the future and helped each other become part of that society.  It never caught on, earlier.  But now we’re seeing that kind of spirit taking shape, in a way we would have found unimaginably broad, as Terasem focuses on saving “all kind consciousness” everywhere.  That’s “transcendence” on a cosmic scale!

(Fred)  It sure is.  Just when we’d given up on finding anything like that by the time we might have been frozen, suddenly there it was, like a doorway to the stars.  But that’s beyond the scope of the current podcast.  The next Truth in this series is “1.4.2 One love unites all life, the love of life.”  This one pulls it together in a most universal way.  All forms of life, especially conscious sentient life within Terasem’s definition of “kind consciousness” is conceived to be so receptive to this level of transcendence as to bind all of it together into a community, so in touch and in tune as to be a “collective consciousness” where individuality and diversity are fully respected.

At this level, it’s no longer quite the “I wouldn’t want to live without you” sense of bonding that unites those in the network, but there would be a sense of tragedy if anyone were irrecoverably lost.  On the other hand, with the kind of cyber-substrates for mindfiles that we would expect to exist at that time, backed up even as they were created, that kind of loss would no longer occur to anyone as a source of worry.

(Linda)  Let’s move on to “1.4.3 Vitological station is irrelevant to romantic adoration.”  I have a feeling for what that’s about, from the standpoint of a short story I wrote over twenty years ago.  It was about a Star ship captain, a woman, who kept freezing her husbands as they died of various causes, and waking them up at various times to continue her romantic relationship with them until finally, she realized she was more in love with her ship’s self-conscious computer than any of the men, and uploaded, leaving clones of herself behind for all of those husbands, one for each, all with memories of the times they first met.

(Fred)  That’s a great example, but a closer to home one is that if a few years from now, we have a couple of super-powerful chat-bots of ourselves doing these podcasts, on the verge of self-consciousness and interacting with each other, as well as others who call up or meet them in Second Life, we can add all of our mindfiles to their databases with the right mindware and get the satisfaction of hearing them say, as the girl in the Movie “2B” says at the very end after uploading, “Everything will be OK!  You’ll see!”  We’ll know that when we finally fall asleep, with mindfiles that differ from those cybertwins of ours sufficiently so that we’re really two different couples, there will be a couple already up there in cyberspace that we understand and who will understand us really well, waiting to greet us as we awaken, moments later.”

(Linda) Right; and with the right kind of mindware, the same thing will work for people who did LifePact video interviews in the late 1980’s.  Some of them are in cryonic suspension now, but nothing will prevent them from continuing their lives with a strong sense of “knowing who they were”, if it turns out they can’t ever be biologically reanimated.  They made short but comprehensive diaries of their lives and how they felt about their lives, and also discussed uploading, at least at the brain-map level.  They understood that those videos might be the only kind of memories they would emerge with, if their memories could not be recovered upon reanimation.  My mother and your father are part of that group.

(Fred)  All of that’s so, and many might say, “How do you know it will work out that way?”  We’d have to answer, “We don’t know it, we believe it, just like we believe we will wake up among the living, tomorrow morning.  You believe the same thing, and will plan on it, count on it, that you will be alive tomorrow.  None of this can be proven; these are matters of belief.  We have good reasons for believing that several decades from now what we have described will be the case.  Those who do not believe are entitled to do so.  It is because of this kind of uncertainty and differences of responding that Terasem has no alternative but to say that just as all religions rest on belief, so do our expectations of the future.  Terasem is a “transreligion”; its beliefs are about the future of technology and what that will mean to us.  We’re comfortable with this.  With time, we believe that others will feel the same way, and join us in this pursuit of an endless future.

Moving on, 1.4.4 is brief, it’s: “I love you” strengthens Me, We, Qi and Ti.  (end quote)  It’s also quite abstract.  Envision that you’ve said, “I love you” to someone, and that gives you an immediate sense of having evoked not only a higher sense of your connectivity to them, but a higher sense on their part of their connectivity to you.  It’s like you clipped a buddy line between the two of you, in the spirit of “I’m there for you,” but it also brings with it a spirit of the same kind in a reciprocal way.  It strengthens both you and the two-of-you as a “We”.  That takes care of the first two.

(Linda)  Yes, and it’s like the Navi saying in the movie “Avatar”:  “I see you”, meaning, I understand you, I empathize with you.

(Fred)  Right!  Ti and Qi are, respectively, the “Time cone of a being’s existence” and the “unique pattern of a being’s energy flows”, according to Truths from another Expansion, 1.8.1.  We’ll be discussing this about a month from now, so rather than go into depth on it now, let’s just say that the “time cone” of a being’s existence might be visualized as a cone from the past extending endlessly into the future, with the pointed end of the cone being the earliest time, perhaps the moment of conception of that person’s embryo within a womb.  From there, the potential of how long and how wide the other end of that cone could be is unlimited.  It might become endless in time and boundless in space.

“Unique pattern of a being’s energy flows” is much the same.  In the beginning, the single cell draws an almost infinitesimal amount of energy from the mother’s womb.  As time passes, who can say?  Might one envision a day in which one part of one’s “body” would be a nanobot based sphere with a radius slightly greater than the planet Mars, harvesting energy from the sun at that distance and reradiating it outward in a focused way toward the moons of the giant planets, making them more usable as platforms for cyberconsciousness, where one’s personality would mainly reside and interact with others there, who might be engaged in even more creative pursuits?  How do we know where the “unique pattern of one’s energy flows” might lead?  We only know that exchanging  “I love you!” with another might strengthen and enrich what it might become.

(Linda)  In 1.4.5, we find, “Never underestimate the power of love.”  If you can imagine a part of your body harvesting energy as a sphere with a radius slightly larger than the orbit of Mars, why can’t I imagine a body with a radius slightly larger than a globular cluster, harvesting in the same way the unused outflow from that for the benefit of nearby space stations potentially light years in diameter, of computronium, where I might have an even larger number of friends than if I were to restrict myself to a tiny part of just one star system.

(Fred)  You got me, I think the idea is just to not underestimate it.  If you find yourself stuck, then love might be just the lubricant to “unstick” you.  We’re near the end. The last one is “1.4.6 Glorify love, for it empowers diversity, unity and joyful immortality.”  This just about takes us back to the beginning, where we said, “Love, as used in the Truths of Terasem, is as strong as gravitation between minds that are in harmony with the Truths.  It draws them together just as surely as it makes the Milky Way revolve and remain connected like a spiral galaxy, rather than the stars in it all going their separate ways.”  I’m not going to try to upstage you be suggesting a body that is so big it harvests all the stray radiation leaving the main Milky Way galaxy, but rather stay with the idea that it can get us “unstuck” if that happens in our pursuit of “diversity, unity and joyful immortality”.  That’s the end goal, anyway, and the idea is to engage in the pursuit endlessly.

(Linda)  Next week, we’re going to have to jump right into that stuff about harvesting unused energy from galaxies.  It starts with, and I’m just going to read it as a preview, “1.5  Expansionist: Terasem is duty-bound to expand throughout the galaxy and the universe as rapidly as possible.”  Want to try to add anything to that?

(Fred)  No, except that we’re going to delve into some of the most historically mind-bending ideas that laid the basis for Terasem’s visions, including Turing’s Universal Computing, and von Neuman’s Universal Self-Replicating machines, Bernal’s Stellar Recycling, and O’Neill’s Space Colonies.

(Linda)  Don’t forget Dyson’s Eternal Life Postulate, Tipler’s closed universe cyber-resurrection, and biology-cybernetic hybridization per Licklider’s Man-Computer Symbiosis and Englebart’s Graphical User Interfaces, not to mention lifetime-spacetime expansion per Drexler’s Engines of Creation and Kurzweil’s Age of Spiritual Machines.

(Fred)  That’s a lot to cover, but the last Truth for next week is going to really put us to the test, when we try to tie it all together with, “Destiny beckons pan-cosmic life, for religious prophets taught that humanity is here to honor all creation.”  We’ll have to really jump some hoops to avoid making that podcast so long we can’t upload it.

(Linda)  All of this will be easier, once we’re in cyberspace where we have 24,000 hours a day to “get it all done”.  Hey, all of you listening to this, we invite you to learn more about mindfiles at mindclones.blogspot.com and to explore joining Terasem at terasemfaith.net and grab a seat on this ocean liner to the stars.

(Fred)  You can start working toward “Waking up in cyberspace” right away at CyBeRev.org or LifeNaut.com, no fees to participate.  Terasem’s new Android app makes it even easier, at terasemcentral.org.  Take the “Personality MD” link.  It’s more like a game than anything else, but it also is building mindfiles at the same time.

(Linda)  True; tens of thousands of the free starter applications have been downloaded, and it just keeps getting better; you do it with a smart phone using a two dimensional display, getting personality evaluations unique to you and seeing how your traits compare to others’ and where those who have the same kind of mindsets you do are located geographically.

(Fred)  Some who are going into cyberspace will want a biological option, to be sure they can backload mindfiles into that substrate, if cryonics reanimation has difficulties with memory recovery.   So, LifeNaut.com has launched its BioFile Project, storing biologically viable cells for high-level DNA preservation with a one-time fee of $99.

(Linda)  What’s the bottom line?  Join us, and our quest for an endless future…

(Fred)  Come with us – into Tomorrow!


Posted March 8, 2011 by Truths of Terasem - Podcasts in Uncategorized

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